Loootta digital ink has been spilled with the announcement today that Ray Shero WILL NOT fire head coach Dan Bylsma, instead opting to extend the entire coaching staff another two years. It seems many fans wanted Bylsma axed for the playoff struggles of the Pens in the past 4 seasons. So I went ahead and checked the records of every team and coach* that has been active in said playoffs over that same amount of time.**
*no rhyme or reason to the order. the first eight in each conference are the top eight from the 2010 playoffs, bottom few are teams in each conference that have made the playoffs since.
**can't just forget about dan's 16 wins the season prior to the following data.
|Team||Playoff Record||Coach 1||Coach 2 (if needed)|
|WSH||17-20||Boudreau 14-16||Oates 3-4|
|NJD||15-14||Lemaire 1-4||DeBoer 14-10|
|PGH||20-21||Bylsma 20-21||Jesus 0-0|
|OTT||10-13||Clouston 2-4||MacLean 8-8|
|MON||13-18||Martin 12-14||Therrien 1-4|
|LAK||29-21||Murray 4-8||Sutter 25-13|
|ANA||5-8||Carlyle 2-4||Boudreau 3-4|
|STL||6-9||Payne 4-5||Hitchcock 2-4|
May I quickly remind you that Dan Bylsma and the Pens went 3-4 against the Lightning in 2011 with no Sid or Geno, and Mark Letestu as the mainstay #1 center.
So Boston and Chicago are your run-away winners, and will rightfully be playing for the Cup again in this year's SCF.
The Kings are the only team that got away with the Dan Bylsma way of doing things...canning an ineffective coach and winning with a new guy later that same season.
Bruce Boudreau and Randy Carlyle are the only coaches with multiple playoff teams in this same stretch, coincidentally both taking teams from the East AND West to the dance. Both coaches have below .500 records in the playoffs in both conferences in this stretch. Paul MacLean is the only offseason replacement coach to get to .500 with a team that had previously made the playoffs. He's 8-8 with one series win.
Ray Shero says he wishes to emulate Detroit's stability in the front office and coaching ranks. Mike Babcock has a similar record to Bylsma and his most recent Cup happened before Bylsma's.
In the East, Peter Laviolette has more wins than Dan Bylsma, but also more losses. He also missed the playoffs more than Bylsma over this stretch. And his Cup happened forever ago by comparison, not with the Flyers.
In the West, Alain Vigneault has a similar record. Again, no Cup, and underachieved with a similar set of Art Ross winners, an MVP and a Quebecois goalie from the 2010 Olympics.
Staying out West, Todd McLellan is staggeringly above .500 in the playoffs over this stretch. He has no Cup to speak of.
My point in bringing this up is to hopefully show, IN PLAIN FACTS, that Ray Shero made the correct decision in extending Dan Bylsma. With the amount of turnover among playoff team coaches, only once since Bylsma has a reactionary change worked...Sutter. And that wasn't even an offseason move. If we look at who was available to replace Dan this year, you got your Torts and Vigneault, who have proven themselves lesser than Bylsma, not even counting Dan's Cup. Or maybe the Pens could've won with Pete DeBoer!
There's also rumors Ted Nolan is being required to take a pay cut to stay with the Latvian men's team. Shero should've got on that before extending Bylsma.
Please draw your own haphazard conclusions.
wow, lets take a real look at therrien. he's 1-4 this year with montreal. he was 14-6 (lost 2 games before th Final) with the Pens in 2008.. so now he;s 15-10. OH MY GOD HE'S SO MUCH BETTER THAN BYLSMA. BRING BACK THERRIEN! NOW!
@DaedalusRoss Re-read the title and subject of this post. This is in response to everyone who asks "what is Bylsma's record since the Cup?' Nothing prior to 2010 is in play, or Dan would have another 16 wins himself tacked on. Therrien is employed. As stated, there is no available substitute for what Bylsma has done over the past 4 seasons had he been fired, strictly responding to the playoff record since 2010 inquiry.
of course, any coach with a positive recent record is deemed a good commodity behind a bench. Doesn't reflect current or future performances. thought we talked about this thing called "adaptation," but I may be a bit ahead of myself here.
anything else to add to the team's diagnosis and treatment, Doctor Obvious?
@DaedalusRoss you say "cherry pick," i say " give the honest answer in plain facts to an irrational question that has been asked more times without checking than anything." you're the one bringing outside data and now opinion into it. i could write posts about letang's pinches. or the loss to the lightning. and then maybe your opinion would make some iota of sense. but THIS post is about the last 4 years, and that the only coaches with better outcomes and records over that span have all won Cups and are currently employed. indisputable. any replacement had bylsma been fired wouldve been lesser, according to playoff record. this isnt that hard to understand.
You're manipulating facts and figures. You are taking out of equation the factor of rosters coaches have. What sort of rosters did Tippett, Ruff had compared to Pens roster? Laviolette, Julien, Sutter achieved better results than DB with worse rosters.
@DimaChernysh You're completely going against what I've set out to prove. "Worse rosters" is a total opinion. This data is showing that for everyone that wants Bylsma gone, there is no suitable substitute. Lavvy, Julien and Sutter are all employed. The only "similar" coach in this sense is Vigneault, with his multiple Art Ross winners, an MVP thrown in there and a Quebecois goalie who becomes a headcase at times.
Re-read jamo's comment. Fan expectation needs to change. If you view our roster as "better" than others, you expect x amount of wins every series. With that opinion (again, OPINION) you'd then expect a Cup every year because hey, they're winning every series in 5-6 games! NO coach does that, but the ones with the most recent success were in the final 4 this season. The two most successful are rightfully playing for the Cup now! Does my opinion that the Blackhawks have a better roster in any way discredit Coach Q should Chicago go on to win? And Julien would get a pass because he'd lost with a "lesser" club?
"What is Bylsma's record since the Cup" gets thrown around in a negative way so much that no one compares it to any of his contemporaries when doing so. You really want Torts or Vigneault or DeBoer instead?
This is such a good post.
It's not the coach that needs changing, it's the expectations of the fan. Stanley Cups are fucking hard as shit to win, especially in the salary cap era.
You never near people talking about how bad of a coach Bylsma is when the Pens are dominating in the regular season, or when they make adjustments to beat the Islanders in the playoffs. Nobody says, "The Pens won 32 games this year and made it to the ECF in spite of Dan Bylsma." If he's a bad coach he's a bad coach, right? If he isn't right to coach this team now, he wasn't right to coach this team in January either, right?
If you think Danny Balls is chiefly to blame for the Pens managing to score only two goals in four games I just don't know what to tell you other than, you have no idea what you're talking about. If you think Bylsma is the one telling Letang to pinch or asking Geno to make weird passes in the neutral zone or instructing Fleury to b-boy in the crease then I don't know what to tell you.
Dude is a good coach, and there aren't a whole hell of a lot of good coaches just sitting around waiting to be hired. We're lucky to have him and if you don't agree go talk to a Rangers fan.
No. $* that. bylsma has PROVEN he can not adapt.
lost to the lightning WHILE UP 3-1. i dont care if there was no malkin or crosby. NHL playoffs are a team sport. lets take a different approach: add malkin and crosby that year. no way they would have won the cup that year anyway. Fact.
montreal had a hot goaltender in 2010? so what, tuuka rask wasn't "hot" this year. Bruins D was much better, allowing Rask to stand on his head. If the Bruins D was on the Pens team, Vokoun would have won 4 games as well. The pens got outplayed and more importantly, outcoached.
if a team is preventing your team from scoring, you gotta adapt. Play more stringent D and waiting for hte O to happen, not forcing it.
I will say the bruins series the pens hit some posts, had some bounces that didnt go their way, but overall they proved to me they deserved no place in a SCF.
does bylsma tell malkin and crosby to make stupid passes, or letang to pinch? in a nutshell: yes. He allows it, he's the coach, he doesn't provide a backbone for the team to play a fundamental game. I'm sick of crosby's forced passes ending up on opponent's sticks. He's the best player in the world. The amount of times he gives up the puck is mind-boggling.
Bylsma doesn;t reign in his players, doesn't act like a strong fundamental coach. I actually have zero cares for the Pens next year. If they win a cup, good on them. I don't see Pens winning anything, they can only prove me wrong at this point.